[Lincolnparkdc] Old film reels of DC trollys

[Marche Maine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-sxsPmwNf8

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 2:26 PM Diana Quinn <dqquinn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am sincerely sorry Peter;  that email was *mistakenly sent *from my
> laptop by someone in my house, and it was deleted almost immediately. I am
> sorry that you posted it for the list to see. It was rude, and I never mean
> to be rude.
>
> I do have to say that, of the houses that will be affected by pylons and
> fewer parking spaces at west Kentucky and East Capitol, at least three if
> them are / will be occupied by senior citizens / folks with disabilities.
> It baffles me that these people’s situations were not taken into account
> when a suggestion was made (the DDOT said it was *one *suggestion by one
> person)  and then incorporated into the plan. I have lived at the corner of
> Kentucky and East Capitol for 31 years and there have been few accidents at
> this corner. (An aside: To make the neighborhood safer, why don't we try to
> get the city to ban huge trucks on East Capitol?)
>
> Peter, your ideas last night were rational, and you presented them
> eruditely, and it appears that the ddot people are willing to at least
> consider them, and for that I am glad, and thank you.    But who knows if
> they really will incorporate your ideas?  I feel as if I am barking into a
> wind tunnel.  These people had money for an "experiment," and they are
> going to spend that money, without any input from the community, period.
> That's what I resented the most last night.
>
> And here's my main argument:  The ddot people (Will and Andrew) said
> multiple times that there had been a streetcar/trolley car turnaround at
> 13th and Kentucky, which explained the large space there.   I did a little
> digging this morning and found three old streetcar maps (see below and note
> that one of them is from a ddot website). I also talked to an expert on
> DC's early trolley car/streetcar system.  The maps show that there were
> never any turnarounds for any public vehicles at 13th and Kentucky, and the
> historian agreed, saying, "I checked the maps I have, and I only see the
> main East Capitol Street line, which turned around the block at 14th/15th,
> as you note, and which was where the East Capital Car Barn was located as
> the terminus of the line. I don’t see any line on Kentucky Avenue or any
> indication that a turnaround was located there. —That doesn’t mean it
> didn’t exist, but I don’t see any evidence of it."  *Why did last night's
> ddot representatives insist that it was true, even when challenged by some
> of us? *  If they are willing to make up something like that, why should
> we believe them about anything else they said at last night's meeting?
>  When asked repeatedly for data, studies, rationale, assessments, even a
> few facts, the ddot had no answers, no promises.
>
> Last night, there was no bending of the truth, there was no truth at all,
> and that is what makes me the angriest.  I hate being lied to by anyone,
> but I especially hate being lied to by government officials.
>
> Even if the end game may be a good cause (bike lanes), we should not let
> ourselves be led by the nose to fulfill this "experiment" when it is based
> on falsehoods and where there is missing data and few answers.
>
> Diana Quinn
> 1912:
> https://ghostsofdc.org/2015/10/05/streetcar-system-map-and-proposed-extensions-in-1912/
> 1942:
> https://ddotdc.tumblr.com/post/91369268479/image-1-a-capital-transit-guide-map-dated-june-1
>  (this was on the ddot's own tumblr site)
> 1958:  https://www.transitmap.net/washington-dc-trackage-1958/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 1:36 PM <citymom92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wait I thought I was the “jerk” that requested a bump out at the East cap
>> and Kentucky?!! Proud to be a jerk for safety.
>>
>> Gina A.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Peter Barclay <barclaypj at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I guess I am the jerk who suggested that we extend the curb or do
>> something at the corner of KY and East Capital.  Not sure that I said add
>> Pylons, but something to slow down the cars when entering our street.  The
>> suggestion of a raised sidewalk was a good one too.  To my knowledge, this
>> is the only part of KY where there has been an accident in my 15 years on
>> the block.
>>
>> I expressed and re-iterated this need on the call yesterday as the new
>> design added pylons where they were not needed and would not slow anything
>> down.  My intent was to remove the pylons as they were in the new design so
>> the neighbors at the top of street could drop off groceries etc. as they
>> have been as long as I have been on the street. No matter what we say, they
>> will paint no parking stripes from the sidewalk and x feet in on the
>> street.
>>
>> It was pretty obvious from the call yesterday that a bike lane will go
>> forth, so my goals was to see if we could budge their designs a bit to help
>> reduce lost parking spots.  For example, in an earlier recommendation I had
>> also suggested that we make the bike lane straight at the corner of Ky
>> south and Independence. It was now part of the new design and parking spots
>> have been saved.  The point is that they are willing to adjust.
>>
>> I am not a fan of all the pylons and lost parking spots.  However, I do
>> think we can add bike lanes and cross walks in a smart ways to maintain the
>> aesthetics our neighbors.
>>
>> Btw, I think I am not alone is making this recommendation at the top of
>> the street.
>>
>> If there’s an alternative recommendation, I am sure they would be open to
>> hearing them.
>>
>> Lastly, I know this a passionate topic, but please don’t name call.  It
>> really does not help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Peter
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2020, at 10:31, Diana Quinn <dqquinn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> seriously. ONE JERK asks for pylons and he gets it?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 9:02 AM Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Let’s please not forget the pylons on Kentucky @ East Capitol were not
>>> part of the original design & were added at the suggestion of one resident.
>>> DDOT says the advisory bike lanes have proven to slow traffic so adding
>>> pylons (& eliminating 20’ of curb space) is also suspect.
>>>
>>> The streets of DC look as if Santa gave DDOT workers bedazzle guns with
>>> pylons for Christmas (instead of sequins, beads & glitter) and they are
>>> bedazzling everything in sight!
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>> 100 block of Kentucky
>>>
>>>
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