[Lincolnparkdc] Pylons
Lucia DiVenere
lucia.divenere at gmail.com
Sun Nov 1 16:29:13 EST 2020
The traffic calming sign is on page 3. In the case of rumble strips, it could read, “Rumble Strips Ahead."
> On Nov 1, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I’ll attach a document that shows various residential traffic calming options in a second email. Most of them would require reconfiguration of the intersections, with expanded curves or roundabouts, for example. Other approaches include traffic tables and raised intersections usually in brick.
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> In re visibility, Seattle uses traffic signs, yellow diamond shape, that says “Traffic calming ahead.” I’ll see if I can find and attach the photo.
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> I’m guessing the strips could also be painted similarly to how traffic bumps are for greater visibility.
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> Lucia
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> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:35 PM Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05) <6B05 at anc.dc.gov <mailto:6B05 at anc.dc.gov>> wrote:
> Lucia,
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> Great work. Thanks for sharing this.I note your flagging of the rumble strips. Did you find anything else referred to in regard to any more appropriate alternatives for historic districts?
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> Re rumble strips, two thing to note.
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> 1. Will Handsfield has stressed that, in his view/experience, the vertical visibility of flexposts is a key element to their role in safety. So, that is an aspect worth keeping in mind as a discussion area.
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> 2. Just to reiterate. None of us has seen the new diagrams yet. I expected them to be available yesterday. They weren't. Will has said they've cut the # of flexposts at Kentucky/Independence in half. I don't know what that means until i see it.
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> I hope the designs will be available monday. They need to be available withenough time for all to see/absorb them before the meeting.
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> Last point, obviously this discussionon what happens here will have an impact on what the eventual design will likely be in jan/february when DDOT intends to initiate a similar project for 12th Street. Different street, different width and landscape. But still.
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> Best,
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> Steve
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> Steve Holtzman
> ANC 6b05
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> Hi all. As promised, I did some research on traffic calming used in other cities, and use of pylons for this purpose.
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> A few points up front.
> 1. I’m not an expert on traffic calming or a traffic engineer. I’m offering what I’ve found and look forward to others sharing their knowledge. The more we know, the better our decisions.
> 2. I’m pro-bike lanes.
> 3. I’m pro-traffic calming. Specifically, I’m pro calming measures that protect the livability of our neighborhood (including don’t eliminate parking spots), maintain the beauty of our historic district (don’t add to “urban visual pollution”), and protect our property (maintain property values.) For these reasons, I’m con-pylons.
> 5. I believe safety, effectiveness, and aesthetics should be considered.
> 6. The District should ensure adequate community input before, during, and after implementation, and should provide post-implementation assessment (did the measure achieve it’s intended purpose.)
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> My google research included many sources — US DOT, the Institute of Traffic Engineers, the Global Designing Cities Initiative, and Project for Public Spaces, in addition to many state transportation department reports. I read the US Dept of Transportation Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices MUTCD which all states follow and must enforce. I’ve downloaded many of these reports, in case anyone is interested.
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> Here are some of the key points that I found.
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> These pylons are called a lot of things, mostly vertical traffic delineators, but also candlesticks, tubular markers, and boomerang flexible delineators. We’ll call them pylons.
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> The MUTCD governs use of pylons in public traffic, and determines that they are “beneficial where alignment can be confusing” (lane reductions and curves), interchange ramps, median crossovers, parking lots, truck escape ramps, highways, and work zones. They are meant for traffic guidance and in temporary work zones or to alert drivers to upcoming hazards, not as warning devices or permanent traffic calming.
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> Pylons are not recommended for residential traffic calming by USDOT, the Institute of Traffic Engineers, the Global Designing Cities Initiative, or Project Public Spaces. I was able to find only one municipality that used pylons for this purpose. New Haven, CT, uses them to slow/deter traffic in a public housing, high crime area explicitly because they’re cheap to install. There may be other cities that use them, but I couldn’t find any.
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> The ITE acknowledges the importance of aesthetics and use of traffic calming to support historic preservation and neighborhood pride.
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> The reports I found that explored what cities have done showed that successful cities included community input, support and post implementation surveys. Community acceptance and support were considered important.
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> Specific to the intersection of 12th and Indep, this intersection already has a 3 way stop, so an effective traffic calming measure. I’d like to see incident data that would indicate the need for pylons before any decision was made to install them. The data and the neighborhood should support such a decision.
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> Many of the calming measures used in other jurisdictions may not be practical for our area. One option I think should be considered are rumble strips. They won’t eliminate parking spots, they’re not difficult to install (from what I understand), they’re not as expensive as other options, aren’t fugly — as one commenter offered, and can be effective.
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> Those are my findings and my thoughts. I look forward to more discussion and appreciate Tom’s arranging the Zoom meeting.
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> Lucia
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> > On Oct 30, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Susan van den Toorn <susan.vandentoorn at gmail.com <mailto:susan.vandentoorn at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> > In an effort to see if the
> > Georgetown Historic District has dealt with this issue, this morning I called and wrote to the Historic Preservation and Zoning Committee of the Citizens Association of. Georgetown. Perhaps they can be helpful.
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> > I will let all know what I learn.
> > Susan
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> >> 1. Re: Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave
> >> SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
> >> (Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05))
> >> 2. Re: Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave
> >> SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
> >> (Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05))
> >> 3. Re: 12th place NE parking changes (Kenyon Weaver)
> >> 4. Design and Streetscape Guidelines for a Historic District
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:12:14 +0000
> >> From: "Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05)" <6B05 at anc.dc.gov <mailto:6B05 at anc.dc.gov>>
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> >> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on
> >> Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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> >> Margaret,
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> >> Thanks for reminding me. I'm checking this but my suspicion is it won't go anywhere. But, i'll let all know what I find out.
> >>
> >> Note, the revised diagrams from DDOT are coming out either later today or early next week. I will be sending out invitations to my list of 6b05 residents in the relevant blocks as soon as the revised diagrams are available so it can all be sent together. Note, Will has assured me that he has closely read all of the comments and has made some adaptations to the plan based on these. I have no idea what changes have been made.
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> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Steve. 6b05
> >>
> >> Steve Holtzman
> >> ANC 6b05
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> >> From: lincolnparkdc <lincolnparkdc-bounces at lincolnparkdc.info <mailto:lincolnparkdc-bounces at lincolnparkdc.info>> on behalf of Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com <mailto:mhrafferty at hotmail.com>>
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> >> Subject: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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> >> The DC.gov website states, "[t]he DC office of planning, Historic Preservation Review Board (HPRB) is the government body that designates historic property and advises the Mayor on historic preservation matters in the District of Columbia. As the State Review Board, HPRB also helps to implement federal historic preservation programs in the District."
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> >> Does anyone know if this Board has been involved in the installation of advisory bike lanes on Kentucky Ave SE and its impact on historic preservation? Any work we, as homeowners, have done on the exterior of our homes (repointing & repairing) must be approved by this Board. Seems like they should be involved.
> >>
> >> Margaret
> >> 100 block of Kentucky
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> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:47:41 +0000
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> >> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on
> >> Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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> >> Margaret,
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> >> I do want to add one comment here in regard to flexposts. To the extent that the purpose of installation of these is warranted for the purpose of enhancing road safety (for bicylists, for pedestrians, for cars) that priority trumps other concerns in my mind. (Apologies for use of the specific verb in the llast sentence even in lower case).
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> >> In thst light, i would suggest that anyone who has issues with the flexpost installation, in addition to speaking to esthetics, cost-benefit on loss of parking, property values, also think about speaking to other questions (as some have already):
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> >> * whether specific changes to roads which require flexposts are warranted to enhance safety in specific context of current road use patterns.
> >> ** doing whatever possible to get commitments/clarity on how, and how soon, flexposts that are installed will end up being replaced with more permanent,esthetically more preferable options.
> >>
> >> This second point is not a negligible one and deserves peoples' serious attention in this discussion. Given predictible budgetary constraints in the next few years and recognizing the large number of flexposts installed in the city, and in our neighborhood, in the last few years, the transition to replacing flexposts with something else is likely to be tricky and slow. In addition, my limited understanding is that the engineering challenges, taking into account individual location specific issues, make the design of more permanent curbs,hardscaping, green space, etc potentially a complicated design issue with consequent costs and pressures on a limited pool of qualified staff/contractors.
> >>
> >> There's no realistic way, i think, to get ironclad promises on a multi-year future projection of budget allocation. But getting as solid a commitment as possible, from DDOT. and from Councilmember Allen, is an objective worth putting some effort into.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Steve 6b05
> >>
> >> Steve Holtzman
> >> ANC 6b05
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: lincolnparkdc <lincolnparkdc-bounces at lincolnparkdc.info <mailto:lincolnparkdc-bounces at lincolnparkdc.info>> on behalf of Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com <mailto:mhrafferty at hotmail.com>>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:59:44 AM
> >> To: Kentucky List Server <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info <mailto:lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>>
> >> Subject: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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> >> The DC.gov website states, "[t]he DC office of planning, Historic Preservation Review Board (HPRB) is the government body that designates historic property and advises the Mayor on historic preservation matters in the District of Columbia. As the State Review Board, HPRB also helps to implement federal historic preservation programs in the District."
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if this Board has been involved in the installation of advisory bike lanes on Kentucky Ave SE and its impact on historic preservation? Any work we, as homeowners, have done on the exterior of our homes (repointing & repairing) must be approved by this Board. Seems like they should be involved.
> >>
> >> Margaret
> >> 100 block of Kentucky
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> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 19:23:34 +0000 (UTC)
> >> From: Kenyon Weaver <kenyons_email at yahoo.com <mailto:kenyons_email at yahoo.com>>
> >> To: "lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info <mailto:lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>"
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> >> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] 12th place NE parking changes
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> >> Howdy neighbors,
> >>
> >> ?
> >> Hope everyone is doing well. Don?t usually weigh in but felt compelled to offer some gentle corrections?on the message about the Maury school parking spaces:
> >> ?
> >>
> >> # The community did not ?agree? to some optimal ?balance?; the school designs were discussed and one of the biggest issues that was not truly resolved was that the Maury school population is expanding and kids' outdoor space was shrinking;
> >>
> >> ?
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> >> # Although much was debated ? not always agreed ? in fact one of the areas of broad accord among the community, teachers, parents, and DPCS was precisely for those 8 spaces that abut the school to be for the school for when school is in session (like Stuart-Hobson has), and in any case those spaces have along been for staff parking for as long anybody can remember;
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> >> ?
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> >> # There?s no new money: the money is already available as it was part of the modernization budget;
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> # Extensive?work and?surveys show a net-zero impact. That's good, and it's also no surprise, because teachers would only need during school hours which is when we're usually at work (post-pandemic);
> >>
> >> ?
> >>
> >> # This has been discussed at the ANC meetings and has broad support and already is well-documented -- the case file is here:
> >>
> >> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://app.dcoz.dc.gov/CaseReport/CaseReportPage.aspx?case_id%3D20323&source=gmail-imap&ust=1604692895000000&usg=AOvVaw2N4iUVj3iRDCfXHEHxgZVS? <https://www.google.com/url?q=https://app.dcoz.dc.gov/CaseReport/CaseReportPage.aspx?case_id%3D20323&source=gmail-imap&ust=1604692895000000&usg=AOvVaw2N4iUVj3iRDCfXHEHxgZVS?>
> >>
> >> ?
> >> # Lastly, just so we?re all clear what the purpose is: it?s for expanding outdoor play space for children, and not just Maury children but for the whole neighborhood to enjoy. ?That's a good thing!
> >> That's all. ?Take care. Go?vote.
> >> ?
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> >> Kenyon Weaver
> >> 1320 N Carolina Ave NE <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1320+N+Carolina+Ave+NE?entry=gmail&source=g>
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> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:00:39 -0400
> >> From: John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com <mailto:hirschj154 at gmail.com>>
> >> To: Lincoln Park List Server <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info <mailto:lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>>
> >> Subject: [Lincolnparkdc] Design and Streetscape Guidelines for a
> >> Historic District
> >> Message-ID: <885DC0BA-B390-4559-87F0-8DB2BBD02990 at gmail.com <mailto:885DC0BA-B390-4559-87F0-8DB2BBD02990 at gmail.com>>
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> >> What is below is pasted from DC?s Historic Preservation Review Board Website
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> >> The Person currently at HPRB responsible for the Capitol Hill Historic District is Moira Nadal Moira.nadal at dc.gov <mailto:Moira.nadal at dc.gov> if you want to express your views onhow things are being designed and in particular pylons.
> >> John
> >>
> >> Design and Streetscape Guidelines
> >>
> >> The character of the city and its neighborhoods is largely determined by the appearance of its streetscape. A streetscape is the result of two things: the physical environment and the uses that take place within public space. To help shape the character of new areas and protect the quality of existing neighborhoods, the District has in place streetscape standards, guidelines, and policies to guide changes to public space. Physical features that are considered can include sidewalk paving material, fences and retaining walls, street trees and their spacing, and other infrastructure like street lights or curb and gutters. Uses that impact the character of public space include sidewalk cafes, vending, street festivals, and other impermanent activities.
> >>
> >> In partnership with the District Department of Transportation, the Office of Planning works with District agencies and the private sector to ensure the design of public space is of high quality and meets minimum requirements. Some areas of the city - such as the Downtown, NoMa, and Mount Vernon Triangle - have additional streetscape requirements. What appears to be a front yard is frequently public space. The Government of the District of Columbia encourages everyone to make improvements to our public space, and its important to understand how your efforts fit into larger goals for the city.
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> >> For more information, contact Chris Shaheen, Public Space Program Manager, DC Office of Planning at (202) 442-7616 or by email at chris.shaheen at dc.gov <mailto:chris.shaheen at dc.gov>
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> >> John
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