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Gina, again your example is not on point. The traffic problems at Watkins have not changed since two of my children were students there 30 years ago: parents double parking to drop of their children. What does Watkins have to do with Kentucky Avenue? It’s
a school district and a commercial area. I would hope that your passion for pedestrian safety extends to your older neighbors. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">John I haven’t “chosen to ignore” that fact and frankly I take your shouting and aggressive tone extremely insulting to me as a neighbor and as a professional transportation planner. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">When I first posted about these lanes I did not think we would lose parking. I know now that we will, and as I have stated multiple times, as a driver and long time resident of this block, I’m okay with that. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Some loss of parking is resulting from flexposts at the end of the blocks where 1. People routinely speed in the turn, or 2. The sight lines of peds is obstructed by cars way too close to the intersection. Have you ever found yourself creeping
around a parked car to check to make sure that a car is not speeding down the street prepared to run the red light? Yeah that’s a problem. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Other parking spaces are being lost due to installation of a oft requested crosswalk at 13th and Kentucky (north side) and two more where the intersection of Kentucky, Indy, and 13th also intersect because actual licensed safety engineers who
work daily to make streets safer for pedestrians recommended it. (Two spaces are even actually illegally IN the intersection and were flagged by our road safety team) </div>
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<div dir="ltr">For me, road safety is a mission and a passion for me, personally as well as professionally. Having watched a child get hit by a car once by Watkins, thanks to cars parked at the very end of the blocks, I’d like to prevent that from happening
ever again. So again, my limited time personal convenience of easy parking in front of my house will not trump safer road conditions for many more people than me and my family, decades into the future. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Gina Arlotto, AICP</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#142805">To help visualize how an advisory bike line works or looks like, see these videos:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#142805">Or go to <a href="https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=advisory+bike+lanes">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> John Hirschmann <uygp-hs47@DoofusCorp.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 01, 2020 10:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> lincolnparkdc@lincolnparkdc.info<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Will Handsfield <will.handsfield@dc.gov><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Fwd: Observations on Advisory Bike Lanes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is very critical point you have chosen to ignore. It was done on E Street by my personal observation WITHOUT REMOVING ANY PARKING SPACES I could observe. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In contrast the proposal for Kentucky Avenue involves removing approximately 12 parking spaces. That is a primary reason so many people are speaking up. You chose to ignore the increased risk to personal safety that creates. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also except for just the 1200 block of E street, which is on the side of Watkins ES and its playground, it’s out side the historic district. That includes the Safeway location you mention. In contrast Kentucky Avenue north of South Carolina
is within the historic district and the rules of a historic district apply. That includes the intersection with Independence. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is a graphic I sent around early on in this thread. As I mentioned at that time, it’s a design of mostly paint with flexposts at the corners to protect sight lines for pedestrians and bicyclists. You can see it as installed on E Street
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<p class="MsoNormal">Very interesting, John, thanks for sharing.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are you able to also share a way for us to see the non traditional bike lanes under consideration? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since we‘re in the spirit of sharing and I‘m very appreciative of the work Lucia shared yesterday, here is another contribution. What is below is what I wrote up regarding how Advisory Bike Lanes were being implemented on E Street SE.
I never got a response to my query. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is what is now being proposed for Kentucky Avenue, not traditional bike lanes. I’m now also hearing it is also being proposed for at least the 100 block of Tenneessee and now 12th Street SE, presumably from East Cap to Pennsylvania.
At least for Kentucky Ave. it appears to be part of a study being supported by US DOT, so that may be impact DC DDOT‘s flexibility to modify the plans in response to community input. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I sent this note on October 7, which was a week before DC DDOT revealed its detailed plans for Kentucky Avenue pljust before th ANC met the evening of October 13. It asked questions about how it was recently implemented on E Street SE.
It’s noteworthy it was done there WITHOUT REMOVING PARKING SPACES. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date:</b> October 7, 2020 at 11:31:06 EDT<br>
<b>To:</b> Will Handsfield <<a href="mailto:will.handsfield@dc.gov" target="_blank">will.handsfield@dc.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Fwd: Observations on Advisory Bike Lanes.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date:</b> October 7, 2020 at 10:59:02 EDT<br>
<b>To:</b> Kirsten Oldenburg <<a href="mailto:6b04@anc.dc.gov" target="_blank">6b04@anc.dc.gov</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Will Hansfield <<a href="mailto:will.hansfield@dc.gov" target="_blank">will.hansfield@dc.gov</a>>, Chander Jayaraman <<a href="mailto:6b08@anc.dc.gov" target="_blank">6b08@anc.dc.gov</a>>, Steve Holtzman <<a href="mailto:6B05@anc.dc.gov" target="_blank">6B05@anc.dc.gov</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Observations on Advisory Bike Lanes.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As a result of request for comments on adding Advisory Bike Lanes to Kentucky Avenue SE, I realized I needed to educate myself. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> I’m shareing with just you some reactions with you after googling to see what is an Advisory Bike I’m going to write up something separately on adding Advisory Bike Lanes to Kentucky Avenue, but first I thought
I’d share with just you some reactions with you after googling to see what is an Advisory Bike Lanes. I had not realized until the exchange of emails last Thursday that it was different than traditional bike lanes. Clearly a whole lot education of drivers
should happen since most people have no idea how to behave, where to go, who yields to whom, etc. In fact does any relevant legislation been enacted. Presumably relevant if tickets should be written, insurance companies need to sort out liability, etc. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I also learned that it is a fairly new phenomenon throughout the country and E Street SE, is one of few, if any, other places it has been done in DC. Also, most if not all other places it has been done are not
nearly as developed as the E Street from 12th to 14th SE. So I’m really surprised that DC and US DOT agreed to put it in those two blocks. I’m also very surprised there has been no or very little education to explain to people how it works. See
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Those two blocks are anything but residential. Starting at 12th Street SE you have a CVS on the SE corner with metered parking on E Street that had heavy use pre COVID. On the other side is Watkins ES and it would
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access via E Street. It is also how the 53 foot trailers that serve the Safeway get to the loading dock. Shortly after it opened, I saw three of them there at one time. The way the loading docks are designed, they have to approach from E and exit on D. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span>To post to the list address your message to: LincolnParkDC@lincolnparkdc.info</span><br>
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