[Lincolnparkdc] lincolnparkdc Digest, Vol 36, Issue 24
Christopher Bolcik
chris at bolcik.com
Fri Sep 10 11:52:35 EDT 2021
I think if you read the accounts you will see BOTH were at fault. The car did not come to a full stop at the stop sign. The bike was going the wrong way down a one way street. There are clear one way traffic arrows painted in the bike lanes. Both should receive a fine of, say $500. This may change their behavior – the car driver might now stop at he stop sign and the bicyclist may stop breaking the law going down the wrong way down a one way street.
The solutions in this twitter feed to eliminate parking around the park is stupid. Parking is eliminated between 12th and Kentucky already, giving vehicles a clear line of site to see any law abiding cyclist.
Everyone has to obey the law for this to work. Both car drivers and cyclists. No exceptions.
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Stating the obvious: A confirming reason yet again to slow traffic down on the block. Its not like it's an unknown problem in the neighborhood.
DDOT"S deaf ears and DC Council's greed to put high revenue generating speed cameras behind RFK where there are no homes and very few people.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 10:57 AM Amber Gove <amberanc6a at gmail.com<mailto:amberanc6a at gmail.com>> wrote:
Sharing eye witness account from Twitter on this crash:
https://twitter.com/bakfietsdc/status/1436325025813041154?s=21
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1. Re: Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @ Kentucky & East Capitol
(Mia Grosjean)
2. Re: Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @ Kentucky & East Capitol
(Edward Wendel)
3. Re: Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @ Kentucky & East Capitol
(Edward Wendel)
4. Re: Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @ Kentucky & East Capitol
(John Hirschmann)
5. Re: Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @ Kentucky & East Capitol
(Mark Jordan)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:36:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mia Grosjean <mia at miagrosjean.com<mailto:mia at miagrosjean.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @
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Front bike tire was run over by back wheel of car. You have to think about why that would have happened. Probably why biker didn?t want to report it. Mia
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On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com<mailto:mhrafferty at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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Biker & car collided. Biker & bike knocked to ground. Biker did not file a police report or accept ambulance service. He (biker) & driver worked it out according to police who arrived on the scene. Bike is damaged & chained to sign @ corner of Ky. PolIce said it should be reported b/c of damaged bike (not rideable) but They cannot do anything unless police report is filed. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. PolIce can?t act w/o report. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. I heard, didn?t see, crash, took photos & headed out to an appointment. Several bystander but I don?t know them. I gave police my phone # & address when I returned from my appointment. Sorry for anything I left out. I?m occupied with another matter but took a few minutes to get this email out.
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 09:53:04 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @
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Has anyone thought the biker did not file a report because HE was responsible? Certainly not saying that is always the case, but it does happen. I live at 148 13th Street SE and frequently see bikers flying through the complicated intersection without slowing down as they interact with cars.
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On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Mia Grosjean <mia at miagrosjean.com<mailto:mia at miagrosjean.com>> wrote:
?Front bike tire was run over by back wheel of car. You have to think about why that would have happened. Probably why biker didn?t want to report it. Mia
From Mia's iPhone
On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com<mailto:mhrafferty at hotmail.com>> wrote:
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Biker & car collided. Biker & bike knocked to ground. Biker did not file a police report or accept ambulance service. He (biker) & driver worked it out according to police who arrived on the scene. Bike is damaged & chained to sign @ corner of Ky. PolIce said it should be reported b/c of damaged bike (not rideable) but They cannot do anything unless police report is filed. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. PolIce can?t act w/o report. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. I heard, didn?t see, crash, took photos & headed out to an appointment. Several bystander but I don?t know them. I gave police my phone # & address when I returned from my appointment. Sorry for anything I left out. I?m occupied with another matter but took a few minutes to get this email out.
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 09:59:05 -0400
From: Edward Wendel <wendel.epw at gmail.com<mailto:wendel.epw at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @
Kentucky & East Capitol
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This was in reference to the Kentucky Avenue/independence Avenue intersection on the NE corner that now includes a cross walk, two bike lanes and cut through for cars - complicated for sure.
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On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Edward Wendel <wendel.epw at gmail.com<mailto:wendel.epw at gmail.com>> wrote:
?Has anyone thought the biker did not file a report because HE was responsible? Certainly not saying that is always the case, but it does happen. I live at 148 13th Street SE and frequently see bikers flying through the complicated intersection without slowing down as they interact with cars.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Mia Grosjean <mia at miagrosjean.com<mailto:mia at miagrosjean.com>> wrote:
?Front bike tire was run over by back wheel of car. You have to think about why that would have happened. Probably why biker didn?t want to report it. Mia
From Mia's iPhone
On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com<mailto:mhrafferty at hotmail.com>> wrote:
?
Biker & car collided. Biker & bike knocked to ground. Biker did not file a police report or accept ambulance service. He (biker) & driver worked it out according to police who arrived on the scene. Bike is damaged & chained to sign @ corner of Ky. PolIce said it should be reported b/c of damaged bike (not rideable) but They cannot do anything unless police report is filed. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. PolIce can?t act w/o report. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. I heard, didn?t see, crash, took photos & headed out to an appointment. Several bystander but I don?t know them. I gave police my phone # & address when I returned from my appointment. Sorry for anything I left out. I?m occupied with another matter but took a few minutes to get this email out.
Margaret Rafferty
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:02:05 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Biker & car crash 8:30 am today @
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I concur with Ed?s observation. I too frequently have seen many bicyclists come up Kentucky and then proceed to go west on East Cap AGAINST eastbound traffic. Recently eastbound traffic included MPD cruiser. Bicyclist realized criuser was no going to yield to him, gave up and instead headed north into Lincoln Park.
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On Sep 10, 2021, at 09:55, Edward Wendel <wendel.epw at gmail.com<mailto:wendel.epw at gmail.com>> wrote:
?Has anyone thought the biker did not file a report because HE was responsible? Certainly not saying that is always the case, but it does happen. I live at 148 13th Street SE and frequently see bikers flying through the complicated intersection without slowing down as they interact with cars.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Mia Grosjean <mia at miagrosjean.com<mailto:mia at miagrosjean.com>> wrote:
?Front bike tire was run over by back wheel of car. You have to think about why that would have happened. Probably why biker didn?t want to report it. Mia
From Mia's iPhone
On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com<mailto:mhrafferty at hotmail.com>> wrote:
?
Biker & car collided. Biker & bike knocked to ground. Biker did not file a police report or accept ambulance service. He (biker) & driver worked it out according to police who arrived on the scene. Bike is damaged & chained to sign @ corner of Ky. PolIce said it should be reported b/c of damaged bike (not rideable) but They cannot do anything unless police report is filed. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. PolIce can?t act w/o report. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. I heard, didn?t see, crash, took photos & headed out to an appointment. Several bystander but I don?t know them. I gave police my phone # & address when I returned from my appointment. Sorry for anything I left out. I?m occupied with another matter but took a few minutes to get this email out.
Margaret Rafferty
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2021 10:07:02 -0400
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Before we begin to pull the scabs off of the wounds of the bike lane
debate, in tis case, none of us knows the facts. Let's be thankful that it
appears nobody was hurt.
I will use this as a lesson for my kids that they as bike riders need to be
careful and I as a driver need to be careful because when cars and bikes
collide, bad things happen.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 10:03 AM John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com<mailto:hirschj154 at gmail.com>>
wrote:
I concur with Ed?s observation. I too frequently have seen many bicyclists
come up Kentucky and then proceed to go west on East Cap AGAINST eastbound
traffic. Recently eastbound traffic included MPD cruiser. Bicyclist
realized criuser was no going to yield to him, gave up and instead headed
north into Lincoln Park.
John F Hirschmann
hirschj154 at gmail.com<mailto:hirschj154 at gmail.com>
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On Sep 10, 2021, at 09:55, Edward Wendel <wendel.epw at gmail.com<mailto:wendel.epw at gmail.com>> wrote:
?Has anyone thought the biker did not file a report because HE was
responsible? Certainly not saying that is always the case, but it does
happen. I live at 148 13th Street SE and frequently see bikers flying
through the complicated intersection without slowing down as they interact
with cars.
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Mia Grosjean <mia at miagrosjean.com<mailto:mia at miagrosjean.com>> wrote:
?Front bike tire was run over by back wheel of car. You have to think
about why that would have happened. Probably why biker didn?t want to
report it. Mia
From Mia's iPhone
On Sep 10, 2021, at 9:30 AM, Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com<mailto:mhrafferty at hotmail.com>>
wrote:
?
Biker & car collided. Biker & bike knocked to ground. Biker did not file a
police report or accept ambulance service. He (biker) & driver worked it
out according to police who arrived on the scene. Bike is damaged & chained
to sign @ corner of Ky. PolIce said it should be reported b/c of damaged
bike (not rideable) but They cannot do anything unless police report is
filed. If anyone knows biker please have him file police report. PolIce
can?t act w/o report. If anyone knows biker please have him file police
report. I heard, didn?t see, crash, took photos & headed out to an
appointment. Several bystander but I don?t know them. I gave police my
phone # & address when I returned from my appointment. Sorry for anything I
left out. I?m occupied with another matter but took a few minutes to get
this email out.
Margaret Rafferty
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