[Lincolnparkdc] Pylons

[Diana Quinn]

HEAR HEAR

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 9:01 PM David Morris <figaromorris at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lucia, thank you for diligent research. I hope the decision makers
> recognize there are better practices for traffic calming and bike paths
> than those reflected in the plan.
> David
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 3:00 PM Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all.  As promised, I did some research on traffic calming used in
>> other cities, and use of pylons for this purpose.
>>
>> A few points up front.
>> 1. I’m not an expert on traffic calming or a traffic engineer.  I’m
>> offering what I’ve found and look forward to others sharing their
>> knowledge.  The more we know, the better our decisions.
>> 2.  I’m pro-bike lanes.
>> 3.  I’m pro-traffic calming.  Specifically, I’m pro calming measures that
>> protect the livability of our neighborhood (including don’t eliminate
>> parking spots), maintain the beauty of our historic district (don’t add to
>> “urban visual pollution”), and protect our property (maintain property
>> values.) For these reasons, I’m con-pylons.
>> 5.  I believe safety, effectiveness, and aesthetics should be considered.
>> 6.  The District should ensure adequate community input before, during,
>> and after implementation, and should provide post-implementation assessment
>> (did the measure achieve it’s intended purpose.)
>>
>> My google research included many sources — US DOT, the Institute of
>> Traffic Engineers, the Global Designing Cities Initiative, and Project for
>> Public Spaces, in addition to many state transportation department
>> reports.  I read the US Dept of Transportation Manual on Uniform Traffic
>> Control Devices MUTCD which all states follow and must enforce.  I’ve
>> downloaded many of these reports, in case anyone is interested.
>>
>> Here are some of the key points that I found.
>>
>> These pylons are called a lot of things, mostly vertical traffic
>> delineators, but also candlesticks, tubular markers, and boomerang flexible
>> delineators.  We’ll call them pylons.
>>
>> The MUTCD governs use of pylons in public traffic, and determines that
>> they are “beneficial where alignment can be confusing” (lane reductions and
>> curves), interchange ramps, median crossovers, parking lots, truck escape
>> ramps, highways, and work zones.  They are meant for traffic guidance and
>> in temporary work zones or to alert drivers to upcoming hazards, not as
>> warning devices or permanent traffic calming.
>>
>> Pylons are not recommended for residential traffic calming by USDOT, the
>> Institute of Traffic Engineers, the Global Designing Cities Initiative, or
>> Project Public Spaces.  I was able to find only one municipality that used
>> pylons for this purpose.  New Haven, CT, uses them to slow/deter traffic in
>> a public housing, high crime area explicitly because they’re cheap to
>> install. There may be other cities that use them, but I couldn’t find any.
>>
>> The ITE acknowledges the importance of aesthetics and use of traffic
>> calming to support historic preservation and neighborhood pride.
>>
>> The reports I found that explored what cities have done showed that
>> successful cities included community input, support and post implementation
>> surveys.  Community acceptance and support were considered important.
>>
>> Specific to the intersection of 12th and Indep, this intersection already
>> has a 3 way stop, so an effective traffic calming measure.  I’d like to see
>> incident data that would indicate the need for pylons before any decision
>> was made to install them.  The data and the neighborhood should support
>> such a decision.
>>
>> Many of the calming measures used in other jurisdictions may not be
>> practical for our area.  One option I think should be considered are rumble
>> strips.  They won’t eliminate parking spots, they’re not difficult to
>> install (from what I understand), they’re not as expensive as other
>> options, aren’t fugly — as one commenter offered, and can be effective.
>>
>> Those are my findings and my thoughts.  I look forward to more discussion
>> and appreciate Tom’s arranging the Zoom meeting.
>>
>> Lucia
>>
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>> > On Oct 30, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Susan van den Toorn <
>> susan.vandentoorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > In an effort to see if the
>> > Georgetown Historic District has dealt with this issue, this morning I
>> called and wrote to the Historic Preservation and Zoning Committee of the
>> Citizens Association of. Georgetown.  Perhaps they can be helpful.
>> >
>> > I will let all know what I learn.
>> > Susan
>> >
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>> >> Today's Topics:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Re: Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave
>> >>    SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
>> >>    (Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05))
>> >> 2. Re: Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave
>> >>    SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
>> >>    (Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05))
>> >> 3. Re: 12th place NE parking changes (Kenyon Weaver)
>> >> 4. Design and Streetscape Guidelines for a Historic District
>> >>    (John Hirschmann)
>> >>
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>> >> Message: 1
>> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:12:14 +0000
>> >> From: "Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05)" <6B05 at anc.dc.gov>
>> >> To: "lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info"
>> >>  <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on
>> >>  Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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>> >> Margaret,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for reminding me. I'm checking this but my suspicion is it
>> won't go anywhere. But, i'll let all know what I find out.
>> >>
>> >> Note, the revised diagrams from DDOT are coming out either later today
>> or early next week. I will be sending out invitations to my list of 6b05
>> residents in the relevant blocks as soon as the revised diagrams are
>> available so it can all be sent together. Note, Will has assured me that he
>> has closely read all of the comments and has made some adaptations to the
>> plan based on these. I have no idea what changes have been made.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Steve. 6b05
>> >>
>> >> Steve Holtzman
>> >> ANC 6b05
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: lincolnparkdc <lincolnparkdc-bounces at lincolnparkdc.info> on
>> behalf of Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:59:44 AM
>> >> To: Kentucky List Server <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >> Subject: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on
>> Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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>> >> The DC.gov website states, "[t]he DC office of planning, Historic
>> Preservation Review Board (HPRB) is the government body that designates
>> historic property and advises the Mayor on historic preservation matters in
>> the District of Columbia. As the State Review Board, HPRB also helps to
>> implement federal historic preservation programs in the District."
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone know if this Board has been involved in the installation
>> of advisory bike lanes on Kentucky Ave SE and its impact on historic
>> preservation?  Any work we, as homeowners, have done on the exterior of our
>> homes (repointing & repairing) must be approved by this Board.  Seems like
>> they should be involved.
>> >>
>> >> Margaret
>> >> 100 block of Kentucky
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> Message: 2
>> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 18:47:41 +0000
>> >> From: "Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05)" <6B05 at anc.dc.gov>
>> >> To: "lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info"
>> >>  <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on
>> >>  Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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>> >> Margaret,
>> >>
>> >> I do want to add one comment here in regard to flexposts. To the
>> extent that the purpose of installation of these is warranted for the
>> purpose of enhancing road safety (for bicylists, for pedestrians, for cars)
>> that priority trumps other concerns in my mind. (Apologies for use of the
>> specific verb in the llast sentence even in lower case).
>> >>
>> >> In thst light, i would suggest that anyone who has issues with the
>> flexpost installation, in addition to speaking to esthetics, cost-benefit
>> on loss of parking, property values, also think about speaking to other
>> questions (as some have already):
>> >>
>> >> * whether specific changes to roads which require flexposts are
>> warranted to enhance safety in specific context of current road use
>> patterns.
>> >> ** doing whatever possible to get commitments/clarity on how, and how
>> soon, flexposts that are installed will end up being replaced with more
>> permanent,esthetically more preferable options.
>> >>
>> >> This second point is not a negligible one and deserves peoples'
>> serious attention in this discussion. Given predictible budgetary
>> constraints in the next few years and recognizing the large number of
>> flexposts installed in the city, and in our neighborhood, in the last few
>> years, the transition to replacing flexposts with something else is likely
>> to be tricky and slow. In addition, my limited  understanding is that the
>> engineering challenges, taking into account individual location specific
>> issues, make the design of more permanent curbs,hardscaping, green space,
>> etc  potentially a complicated design issue with consequent costs and
>> pressures on a limited pool of qualified staff/contractors.
>> >>
>> >> There's no realistic way, i think, to get ironclad promises on a
>> multi-year future projection of budget allocation. But getting as solid a
>> commitment as possible, from DDOT. and from Councilmember Allen, is an
>> objective worth putting some effort into.
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >>
>> >> Steve 6b05
>> >>
>> >> Steve Holtzman
>> >> ANC 6b05
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: lincolnparkdc <lincolnparkdc-bounces at lincolnparkdc.info> on
>> behalf of Margaret Rafferty <mhrafferty at hotmail.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 10:59:44 AM
>> >> To: Kentucky List Server <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >> Subject: [Lincolnparkdc] Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on
>> Kentucky Ave SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
>> >>
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>> >> The DC.gov website states, "[t]he DC office of planning, Historic
>> Preservation Review Board (HPRB) is the government body that designates
>> historic property and advises the Mayor on historic preservation matters in
>> the District of Columbia. As the State Review Board, HPRB also helps to
>> implement federal historic preservation programs in the District."
>> >>
>> >> Does anyone know if this Board has been involved in the installation
>> of advisory bike lanes on Kentucky Ave SE and its impact on historic
>> preservation?  Any work we, as homeowners, have done on the exterior of our
>> homes (repointing & repairing) must be approved by this Board.  Seems like
>> they should be involved.
>> >>
>> >> Margaret
>> >> 100 block of Kentucky
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For the latest information on the District Government's response to
>> COVID-19 (Coronavirus), please visit coronavirus.dc.gov<
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>> >> Message: 3
>> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 19:23:34 +0000 (UTC)
>> >> From: Kenyon Weaver <kenyons_email at yahoo.com>
>> >> To: "lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info"
>> >>  <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] 12th place NE parking changes
>> >> Message-ID: <1504099228.467761.1604085814449 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>> >>
>> >> Howdy neighbors,
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >> Hope everyone is doing well. Don?t usually weigh in but felt compelled
>> to offer some gentle corrections?on the message about the Maury school
>> parking spaces:
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> # The community did not ?agree? to some optimal ?balance?; the school
>> designs were discussed and one of the biggest issues that was not truly
>> resolved was that the Maury school population is expanding and kids'
>> outdoor space was shrinking;
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> # Although much was debated ? not always agreed ? in fact one of the
>> areas of broad accord among the community, teachers, parents, and DPCS was
>> precisely for those 8 spaces that abut the school to be for the school for
>> when school is in session (like Stuart-Hobson has), and in any case those
>> spaces have along been for staff parking for as long anybody can remember;
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> # There?s no new money: the money is already available as it was part
>> of the modernization budget;
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> # Extensive?work and?surveys show a net-zero impact. That's good, and
>> it's also no surprise, because teachers would only need during school hours
>> which is when we're usually at work (post-pandemic);
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> # This has been discu
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/%23+This+has+been+discu?entry=gmail&source=g>ssed
>> at the ANC meetings and has broad support and already is well-documented --
>> the case file is here:
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://app.dcoz.dc.gov/CaseReport/CaseReportPage.aspx?case_id%3D20323&source=gmail-imap&ust=1604692895000000&usg=AOvVaw2N4iUVj3iRDCfXHEHxgZVS
>> ?
>> >>
>> >> ?
>> >> # Lastly, just so we?re all clear what the purpose is: it?s for
>> expanding outdoor play space for children, and not just Maury children but
>> for the whole neighborhood to enjoy. ?That's a good thing!
>> >> That's all. ?Take care. Go?vote.
>> >> ?
>> >>
>> >> Kenyon Weaver
>> >> 1320 N Carolina Ave NE
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>> >> Message: 4
>> >> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:00:39 -0400
>> >> From: John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com>
>> >> To: Lincoln Park List Server <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >> Subject: [Lincolnparkdc] Design and Streetscape Guidelines for a
>> >>  Historic District
>> >> Message-ID: <885DC0BA-B390-4559-87F0-8DB2BBD02990 at gmail.com>
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>> >> ?
>> >> What is below is pasted from DC?s Historic Preservation Review Board
>> Website
>> >>
>> >> The Person currently at HPRB responsible for the Capitol Hill Historic
>> District is Moira Nadal   Moira.nadal at dc.gov if you want to express your
>> views onhow things are being designed and in particular pylons.
>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> Design and Streetscape Guidelines
>> >>
>> >> The character of the city and its neighborhoods is largely determined
>> by the appearance of its streetscape. A streetscape is the result of two
>> things: the physical environment and the uses that take place within public
>> space. To help shape the character of new areas and protect the quality of
>> existing neighborhoods, the District has in place streetscape standards,
>> guidelines, and policies to guide changes to public space. Physical
>> features that are considered can include sidewalk paving material, fences
>> and retaining walls, street trees and their spacing, and other
>> infrastructure like street lights or curb and gutters. Uses that impact the
>> character of public space include sidewalk cafes, vending, street
>> festivals, and other impermanent activities.
>> >>
>> >> In partnership with the District Department of Transportation, the
>> Office of Planning works with District agencies and the private sector to
>> ensure the design of public space is of high quality and meets minimum
>> requirements. Some areas of the city - such as the Downtown, NoMa, and
>> Mount Vernon Triangle - have additional streetscape requirements. What
>> appears to be a front yard is frequently public space. The Government of
>> the District of Columbia encourages everyone to make improvements to our
>> public space, and its important to understand how your efforts fit into
>> larger goals for the city.
>> >>
>> >> For more information, contact Chris Shaheen, Public Space Program
>> Manager, DC Office of Planning at (202) 442-7616 or by email at
>> chris.shaheen at dc.gov
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>> >> John
>> >>
>> >> John F Hirschmann
>> >> hirschj154 at gmail.com
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