[Lincolnparkdc] Pylons

[Lucia DiVenere]

Thanks, John.  I’d like everyone to be assured that my views didn’t skew my
findings, no confirmation bias.

I appreciate that we’re having a good discussion.


On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 6:55 PM John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> 
> Lucia
>
> Many thanks for all the homework you did to write this report. Also for
> being so up front about where your coming from.
>
> I‘m very glad to see you are also pro not eliminating parking spaces,
> doing it in such a way as to not reduce property values and do it in a
> manner consistent with being in a historic district.  I’m also prepared to
> support adding bike lanes IF IT IS DONE WITHOUT ELIMINATING PARKING SPACES.
>
> In the interest of candor I’m also adding that I live very near the
> Kentucky/Independence /13th Street intersection. I’m one of 6-7 households
> that will lose parking spaces in front of their home, even long enough to
> unload groceries. There also several residences South of Independence that
> are similarly impacted.
>
> With one exception, the home's on the north side have owners in their 70‘s
> or older and several are widows. So street safety particularly at night and
> also not being as physically able to carry groceries a greater distance
> really matters.
>
> I also support you urging community input.  What we now understand is in
> the proposal is very different than was understood until people had time to
> absorb what was provided by DDOT about an hour prior to the October meeting
> of the ANC.
>
> John
>
> John F Hirschmann
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> On Oct 31, 2020, at 15:00, Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Hi all.  As promised, I did some research on traffic calming used in
> other cities, and use of pylons for this purpose.
>
>
>
> A few points up front.
> 1. I’m not an expert on traffic calming or a traffic engineer.  I’m
> offering what I’ve found and look forward to others sharing their
> knowledge.  The more we know, the better our decisions.
> 2.  I’m pro-bike lanes.
> 3.  I’m pro-traffic calming.  Specifically, I’m pro calming measures that
> protect the livability of our neighborhood (including don’t eliminate
> parking spots), maintain the beauty of our historic district (don’t add to
> “urban visual pollution”), and protect our property (maintain property
> values.) For these reasons, I’m con-pylons.
> 5.  I believe safety, effectiveness, and aesthetics should be considered.
> 6.  The District should ensure adequate community input before, during,
> and after implementation, and should provide post-implementation assessment
> (did the measure achieve it’s intended purpose.)
>
> My google research included many sources — US DOT, the Institute of
> Traffic Engineers, the Global Designing Cities Initiative, and Project for
> Public Spaces, in addition to many state transportation department
> reports.  I read the US Dept of Transportation Manual on Uniform Traffic
> Control Devices MUTCD which all states follow and must enforce.  I’ve
> downloaded many of these reports, in case anyone is interested.
>
> Here are some of the key points that I found.
>
> These pylons are called a lot of things, mostly vertical traffic
> delineators, but also candlesticks, tubular markers, and boomerang flexible
> delineators.  We’ll call them pylons.
>
> The MUTCD governs use of pylons in public traffic, and determines that
> they are “beneficial where alignment can be confusing” (lane reductions and
> curves), interchange ramps, median crossovers, parking lots, truck escape
> ramps, highways, and work zones.  They are meant for traffic guidance and
> in temporary work zones or to alert drivers to upcoming hazards, not as
> warning devices or permanent traffic calming.
>
> Pylons are not recommended for residential traffic calming by USDOT, the
> Institute of Traffic Engineers, the Global Designing Cities Initiative, or
> Project Public Spaces.  I was able to find only one municipality that used
> pylons for this purpose.  New Haven, CT, uses them to slow/deter traffic in
> a public housing, high crime area explicitly because they’re cheap to
> install. There may be other cities that use them, but I couldn’t find any.
>
> The ITE acknowledges the importance of aesthetics and use of traffic
> calming to support historic preservation and neighborhood pride.
>
> The reports I found that explored what cities have done showed that
> successful cities included community input, support and post implementation
> surveys.  Community acceptance and support were considered important.
>
> Specific to the intersection of 12th and Indep, this intersection already
> has a 3 way stop, so an effective traffic calming measure.  I’d like to see
> incident data that would indicate the need for pylons before any decision
> was made to install them.  The data and the neighborhood should support
> such a decision.
>
> Many of the calming measures used in other jurisdictions may not be
> practical for our area.  One option I think should be considered are rumble
> strips.  They won’t eliminate parking spots, they’re not difficult to
> install (from what I understand), they’re not as expensive as other
> options, aren’t fugly — as one commenter offered, and can be effective.
>
> Those are my findings and my thoughts.  I look forward to more discussion
> and appreciate Tom’s arranging the Zoom meeting.
>
> Lucia
>
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> On Oct 30, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Susan van den Toorn <
> susan.vandentoorn at gmail.com> wrote:
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> In an effort to see if the
>
> Georgetown Historic District has dealt with this issue, this morning I
> called and wrote to the Historic Preservation and Zoning Committee of the
> Citizens Association of. Georgetown.  Perhaps they can be helpful.
>
>
> I will let all know what I learn.
>
> Susan
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> 1. Re: Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave
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>   SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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>   (Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05))
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> 2. Re: Installation of Advisory Bike Lanes on Kentucky Ave
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>   SE...Where's the Historic Preservation Review?
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>   (Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05))
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> 3. Re: 12th place NE parking changes (Kenyon Weaver)
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> 4. Design and Streetscape Guidelines for a Historic District
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> From: "Holtzman, Steve (SMD 6B05)" <6B05 at anc.dc.gov>
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> Margaret,
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>
> Thanks for reminding me. I'm checking this but my suspicion is it won't go
> anywhere. But, i'll let all know what I find out.
>
>
> Note, the revised diagrams from DDOT are coming out either later today or
> early next week. I will be sending out invitations to my list of 6b05
> residents in the relevant blocks as soon as the revised diagrams are
> available so it can all be sent together. Note, Will has assured me that he
> has closely read all of the comments and has made some adaptations to the
> plan based on these. I have no idea what changes have been made.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Steve. 6b05
>
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> Steve Holtzman
>
> ANC 6b05
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> implement federal historic preservation programs in the District."
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> Does anyone know if this Board has been involved in the installation of
> advisory bike lanes on Kentucky Ave SE and its impact on historic
> preservation?  Any work we, as homeowners, have done on the exterior of our
> homes (repointing & repairing) must be approved by this Board.  Seems like
> they should be involved.
>
>
> Margaret
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> 100 block of Kentucky
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> Margaret,
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> I do want to add one comment here in regard to flexposts. To the extent
> that the purpose of installation of these is warranted for the purpose of
> enhancing road safety (for bicylists, for pedestrians, for cars) that
> priority trumps other concerns in my mind. (Apologies for use of the
> specific verb in the llast sentence even in lower case).
>
>
> In thst light, i would suggest that anyone who has issues with the
> flexpost installation, in addition to speaking to esthetics, cost-benefit
> on loss of parking, property values, also think about speaking to other
> questions (as some have already):
>
>
> * whether specific changes to roads which require flexposts are warranted
> to enhance safety in specific context of current road use patterns.
>
> ** doing whatever possible to get commitments/clarity on how, and how
> soon, flexposts that are installed will end up being replaced with more
> permanent,esthetically more preferable options.
>
>
> This second point is not a negligible one and deserves peoples' serious
> attention in this discussion. Given predictible budgetary constraints in
> the next few years and recognizing the large number of flexposts installed
> in the city, and in our neighborhood, in the last few years, the transition
> to replacing flexposts with something else is likely to be tricky and slow.
> In addition, my limited  understanding is that the engineering challenges,
> taking into account individual location specific issues, make the design of
> more permanent curbs,hardscaping, green space, etc  potentially a
> complicated design issue with consequent costs and pressures on a limited
> pool of qualified staff/contractors.
>
>
> There's no realistic way, i think, to get ironclad promises on a
> multi-year future projection of budget allocation. But getting as solid a
> commitment as possible, from DDOT. and from Councilmember Allen, is an
> objective worth putting some effort into.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Steve 6b05
>
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> Steve Holtzman
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> ANC 6b05
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> The DC.gov website states, "[t]he DC office of planning, Historic
> Preservation Review Board (HPRB) is the government body that designates
> historic property and advises the Mayor on historic preservation matters in
> the District of Columbia. As the State Review Board, HPRB also helps to
> implement federal historic preservation programs in the District."
>
>
> Does anyone know if this Board has been involved in the installation of
> advisory bike lanes on Kentucky Ave SE and its impact on historic
> preservation?  Any work we, as homeowners, have done on the exterior of our
> homes (repointing & repairing) must be approved by this Board.  Seems like
> they should be involved.
>
>
> Margaret
>
> 100 block of Kentucky
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> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 19:23:34 +0000 (UTC)
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> From: Kenyon Weaver <kenyons_email at yahoo.com>
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> To: "lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info"
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> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] 12th place NE parking changes
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> Howdy neighbors,
>
>
> ?
>
> Hope everyone is doing well. Don?t usually weigh in but felt compelled to
> offer some gentle corrections?on the message about the Maury school parking
> spaces:
>
> ?
>
>
> # The community did not ?agree? to some optimal ?balance?; the school
> designs were discussed and one of the biggest issues that was not truly
> resolved was that the Maury school population is expanding and kids'
> outdoor space was shrinking;
>
>
> ?
>
>
> # Although much was debated ? not always agreed ? in fact one of the areas
> of broad accord among the community, teachers, parents, and DPCS was
> precisely for those 8 spaces that abut the school to be for the school for
> when school is in session (like Stuart-Hobson has), and in any case those
> spaces have along been for staff parking for as long anybody can remember;
>
>
> ?
>
>
> # There?s no new money: the money is already available as it was part of
> the modernization budget;
>
>
> ?
>
>
> # Extensive?work and?surveys show a net-zero impact. That's good, and it's
> also no surprise, because teachers would only need during school hours
> which is when we're usually at work (post-pandemic);
>
>
> ?
>
>
> # This has been discussed at the ANC meetings and has broad support and
> already is well-documented -- the case file is here:
>
>
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> https://www.google.com/url?q=https://app.dcoz.dc.gov/CaseReport/CaseReportPage.aspx?case_id%3D20323&source=gmail-imap&ust=1604692895000000&usg=AOvVaw2N4iUVj3iRDCfXHEHxgZVS
> ?
>
>
> ?
>
> # Lastly, just so we?re all clear what the purpose is: it?s for expanding
> outdoor play space for children, and not just Maury children but for the
> whole neighborhood to enjoy. ?That's a good thing!
>
> That's all. ?Take care. Go?vote.
>
> ?
>
>
> Kenyon Weaver
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> 1320 N Carolina Ave NE
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> Subject: [Lincolnparkdc] Design and Streetscape Guidelines for a
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> What is below is pasted from DC?s Historic Preservation Review Board
>  Website
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> The Person currently at HPRB responsible for the Capitol Hill Historic
> District is Moira Nadal   Moira.nadal at dc.gov if you want to express your
> views onhow things are being designed and in particular pylons.
>
> John
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> Design and Streetscape Guidelines
>
>
> The character of the city and its neighborhoods is largely determined by
> the appearance of its streetscape. A streetscape is the result of two
> things: the physical environment and the uses that take place within public
> space. To help shape the character of new areas and protect the quality of
> existing neighborhoods, the District has in place streetscape standards,
> guidelines, and policies to guide changes to public space. Physical
> features that are considered can include sidewalk paving material, fences
> and retaining walls, street trees and their spacing, and other
> infrastructure like street lights or curb and gutters. Uses that impact the
> character of public space include sidewalk cafes, vending, street
> festivals, and other impermanent activities.
>
>
> In partnership with the District Department of Transportation, the Office
> of Planning works with District agencies and the private sector to ensure
> the design of public space is of high quality and meets minimum
> requirements. Some areas of the city - such as the Downtown, NoMa, and
> Mount Vernon Triangle - have additional streetscape requirements. What
> appears to be a front yard is frequently public space. The Government of
> the District of Columbia encourages everyone to make improvements to our
> public space, and its important to understand how your efforts fit into
> larger goals for the city.
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>
> For more information, contact Chris Shaheen, Public Space Program Manager,
> DC Office of Planning at (202) 442-7616 or by email at
> chris.shaheen at dc.gov
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