[Lincolnparkdc] Different opinion on the design issues
Sharon Raimo
SRaimo at stcoletta.org
Fri Oct 16 20:04:13 EDT 2020
I think you are correct. But will all know the cheapest way will be the first option. Many of us have paid money to live here and are relying on the value of our homes to see us through retirement and have a legacy for our children. I raised two kids on Capitol Hill in three houses. One bordered on Pennsylvania Avenue at 8th St. and our current on Kentucky and Infependence.
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On Oct 16, 2020, at 7:52 PM, David Morris <figaromorris at gmail.com> wrote:
The goal of safety is not the issue, it is the design for how to achieve it.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 7:33 PM Tim Dube <timothydube at gmail.com<mailto:timothydube at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi neighbors, I just want to point out that the piling on against DDOT’s design is not universal. I’m looking forward to changes that slow the cars and make our streets safer for parents and kids.
I wholly understand that some of our neighbors may need additional accommodations based on the current design. But, please think about all your neighbors with little walkers and bikers. I fear for my kids’ lives every time we park on Indy, or cross it. Slower is safer. Pylons slow the outbound traffic. Any safety improvement DDOT can make is long overdue and welcomed in my book. Can we be on the same page on this at least?
Tim @ 12th/Indy
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1. Re: Pylons on Kentucky & 13th (Eric R Emanuel)
2. Re: Pylons on Kentucky & 13th (David Morris)
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:52:52 +0000 (UTC)
From: Eric R Emanuel <emanueleric at yahoo.com<mailto:emanueleric at yahoo.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Pylons on Kentucky & 13th
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wow, "infinitely more expensive"....that's a lot of expense
Eric Emanuel
On Friday, October 16, 2020, 06:44:23 PM EDT, regina arlotto <citymom92 at gmail.com<mailto:citymom92 at gmail.com>> wrote:
I was on a call with Will today and we were talking through reducing the number of flexposts with the design engineers by a lot. And yes, creating a permanent curb is infinitely more expensive, and flexiposts?are just as effective in practice. That might be considered for a later phase of this project, which is a pilot project to gather data for the Fed Dept of Transportation and Fed Highways.?
Gina A.?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:34 PM Peter Barclay <barclaypj at gmail.com<mailto:barclaypj at gmail.com>> wrote:
The may not be pylons, but they are posts that will definitely stand out and be unsightly.? There will probably be 30-40, if not more, just in that intersection. ?
Why not put down an actual curb to outline the path that is permanent in the ground to truly separate the traffic from cars and pedestrians?? This is what I have seen in Europe and it seems to work well there?? Has that been considered?? In that case, we may not need to make the paths as long and slow the cars down.?
But I suppose it is a cost issue as well.
Thanks,
- Peter
On Oct 16, 2020, at 16:04, citymom92 at gmail.com<mailto:citymom92 at gmail.com> wrote:
?No worries! I just didn?t want people thinking that pylons were going up. They?re typically orange and not very effective, though they are ugly!?
Best,?Gina
On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org<mailto:SRaimo at stcoletta.org>> wrote:
?Sorry kid just trying to make a point!
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On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:22 PM, "citymom92 at gmail.com<mailto:citymom92 at gmail.com>" <citymom92 at gmail.com<mailto:citymom92 at gmail.com>> wrote:
?They?re not pylons, but they are flexible posts and as Mark said they absolutely do slow and calm traffic in every place where they are used. Also speed bumps are not effective because people slow down for the jump and then speed as soon as they?re over. So we?d have extremely bumpy roads if we wanted to effectively slow traffic. I?d much rather have flexposts to get car drivers to slow down and pay attention to all the kids and older folks trying to make their way across our streets. The Kentucky/Independence/13th intersection is especially confusing and dangerous for people crossing. I think we?ll all be pleased with the resulting slower traffic.?
Best,?Gina A?
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On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com<mailto:lucia.divenere at gmail.com>> wrote:
?I couldn?t agree more about how ugly the pylons are and how they?ve significantly degraded the appearance of our otherwise beautiful historic Capitol Hill. ?
They?re also more of a hindrance than a benefit to traffic. ?
I?d like to see them all removed. ?
Lucia156 12th SE?
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:19 AM Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org<mailto:SRaimo at stcoletta.org>> wrote:
Charles, We have grave concerns about the pylons proposed to create bike lanes on Kentucky Ave and 13th St SE. Not only are the hideous, they will not allow those of us who live near the corner of those streets and Independence Ave to park even temporarily to drop off passengers or goods. Three of the corner houses are occupied by elderly widows and this will be crippling for them. All the residents near the corners are over 60. Parking on out streets is already a nightmare and we sometimes have to walk blocks in the dark after finally locating a space. This is worse during times of street cleaning when we can only park on one side of Independence. Please do not let this go forward . It will reduce our property values and negatively impact our lives. Sharon Raimo
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You?re right, Peter. The plans show 60 pylons (or whatever term you want to
use) for this intersection.Unfortunately cheap and awful is the norm here,
not a more expensive investment in infrastructure that combines safety with
an attractive street scape.
David
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:34 PM Peter Barclay <barclaypj at gmail.com<mailto:barclaypj at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The may not be pylons, but they are posts that will definitely stand out
> and be unsightly. There will probably be 30-40, if not more, just in that
> intersection.
>
> Why not put down an actual curb to outline the path that is permanent in
> the ground to truly separate the traffic from cars and pedestrians? This
> is what I have seen in Europe and it seems to work well there? Has that
> been considered? In that case, we may not need to make the paths as long
> and slow the cars down.
>
> But I suppose it is a cost issue as well.
>
> Thanks,
> - Peter
>
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 16:04, citymom92 at gmail.com<mailto:citymom92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> No worries! I just didn?t want people thinking that pylons were going up.
> They?re typically orange and not very effective, though they are ugly!
>
> Best,
> Gina
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org<mailto:SRaimo at stcoletta.org>> wrote:
>
> ? Sorry kid just trying to make a point!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:22 PM, "citymom92 at gmail.com<mailto:citymom92 at gmail.com>" <citymom92 at gmail.com<mailto:citymom92 at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> They?re not pylons, but they are flexible posts and as Mark said they
> absolutely do slow and calm traffic in every place where they are used.
> Also speed bumps are not effective because people slow down for the jump
> and then speed as soon as they?re over. So we?d have extremely bumpy roads
> if we wanted to effectively slow traffic. I?d much rather have flexposts to
> get car drivers to slow down and pay attention to all the kids and older
> folks trying to make their way across our streets. The
> Kentucky/Independence/13th intersection is especially confusing and
> dangerous for people crossing. I think we?ll all be pleased with the
> resulting slower traffic.
>
> Best,
> Gina A
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 1:53 PM, KnappMarketing <amy at knappmarketing.net<mailto:amy at knappmarketing.net>>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos and brevity.
>
> On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com<mailto:lucia.divenere at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I couldn?t agree more about how ugly the pylons are and how they?ve
> significantly degraded the appearance of our otherwise beautiful historic
> Capitol Hill.
>
> They?re also more of a hindrance than a benefit to traffic.
>
> I?d like to see them all removed.
>
> Lucia
> 156 12th SE
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:19 AM Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org<mailto:SRaimo at stcoletta.org>>
> wrote:
>
>> Charles, We have grave concerns about the pylons proposed to create bike
>> lanes on Kentucky Ave and 13th St SE. Not only are the hideous, they will
>> not allow those of us who live near the corner of those streets and
>> Independence Ave to park even temporarily to drop off passengers or goods.
>> Three of the corner houses are occupied by elderly widows and this will be
>> crippling for them. All the residents near the corners are over 60. Parking
>> on out streets is already a nightmare and we sometimes have to walk blocks
>> in the dark after finally locating a space. This is worse during times of
>> street cleaning when we can only park on one side of Independence. Please
>> do not let this go forward . It will reduce our property values and
>> negatively impact our lives. Sharon Raimo
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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