[Lincolnparkdc] Different opinion on the design issues

Fri Oct 16 19:51:01 EDT 2020

The goal of safety is not the issue, it is the design for how to achieve it.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 7:33 PM Tim Dube <timothydube at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi neighbors, I just want to point out that the piling on against DDOT’s
> design is not universal. I’m looking forward to changes that slow the cars
> and make our streets safer for parents and kids.
>
> I wholly understand that some of our neighbors may need additional
> accommodations based on the current design. But, please think about all
> your neighbors with little walkers and bikers. I fear for my kids’ lives
> every time we park on Indy, or cross it. Slower is safer. Pylons slow the
> outbound traffic. Any safety improvement DDOT can make is long overdue and
> welcomed in my book. Can we be on the same page on this at least?
>
> Tim @ 12th/Indy
>
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>>    1. Re: Pylons on Kentucky & 13th (Eric R Emanuel)
>>    2. Re: Pylons on Kentucky & 13th (David Morris)
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 22:52:52 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Eric R Emanuel <emanueleric at yahoo.com>
>> To: Lincoln Park DC listserve <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Pylons on Kentucky & 13th
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>> wow, "infinitely more expensive"....that's a lot of expense
>> Eric Emanuel
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Friday, October 16, 2020, 06:44:23 PM EDT, regina arlotto <
>> citymom92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I was on a call with Will today and we were talking through reducing the
>> number of flexposts with the design engineers by a lot. And yes, creating a
>> permanent curb is infinitely more expensive, and flexiposts?are just as
>> effective in practice. That might be considered for a later phase of this
>> project, which is a pilot project to gather data for the Fed Dept of
>> Transportation and Fed Highways.?
>> Gina A.?
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:34 PM Peter Barclay <barclaypj at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The may not be pylons, but they are posts that will definitely stand out
>> and be unsightly.? There will probably be 30-40, if not more, just in that
>> intersection. ?
>> Why not put down an actual curb to outline the path that is permanent in
>> the ground to truly separate the traffic from cars and pedestrians?? This
>> is what I have seen in Europe and it seems to work well there?? Has that
>> been considered?? In that case, we may not need to make the paths as long
>> and slow the cars down.?
>> But I suppose it is a cost issue as well.
>> Thanks,
>> - Peter
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 16:04, citymom92 at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ?No worries! I just didn?t want people thinking that pylons were going
>> up. They?re typically orange and not very effective, though they are ugly!?
>> Best,?Gina
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ?Sorry kid just trying to make a point!
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>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:22 PM, "citymom92 at gmail.com" <citymom92 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ?They?re not pylons, but they are flexible posts and as Mark said they
>> absolutely do slow and calm traffic in every place where they are used.
>> Also speed bumps are not effective because people slow down for the jump
>> and then speed as soon as they?re over. So we?d have extremely bumpy roads
>> if we wanted to effectively slow traffic. I?d much rather have flexposts to
>> get car drivers to slow down and pay attention to all the kids and older
>> folks trying to make their way across our streets. The
>> Kentucky/Independence/13th intersection is especially confusing and
>> dangerous for people crossing. I think we?ll all be pleased with the
>> resulting slower traffic.?
>> Best,?Gina A?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 1:53 PM, KnappMarketing <amy at knappmarketing.net>
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>>
>> ?
>>
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>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ?I couldn?t agree more about how ugly the pylons are and how they?ve
>> significantly degraded the appearance of our otherwise beautiful historic
>> Capitol Hill. ?
>> They?re also more of a hindrance than a benefit to traffic. ?
>> I?d like to see them all removed. ?
>> Lucia156 12th SE?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:19 AM Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Charles, We have grave concerns about the pylons proposed to create bike
>> lanes on Kentucky Ave and 13th St SE. Not only are the hideous, they will
>> not allow those of us who live near the corner of those streets and
>> Independence Ave to park even temporarily to drop off passengers or goods.
>> Three of the corner houses are occupied by elderly widows and this will be
>> crippling for them. All the residents near the corners are over 60. Parking
>> on out streets is already a nightmare and we sometimes have to walk blocks
>> in the dark after finally locating a space. This is worse during times of
>> street cleaning when we can only park on one side of Independence. Please
>> do not let this go forward . It will reduce our property values and
>> negatively impact our lives. Sharon Raimo
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 19:10:56 -0400
>> From: David Morris <figaromorris at gmail.com>
>> To: lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info
>> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Pylons on Kentucky & 13th
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>> You?re right, Peter. The plans show 60 pylons (or whatever term you want
>> to
>> use) for this intersection.Unfortunately cheap and awful is the norm here,
>> not a more expensive investment in infrastructure that combines safety
>> with
>> an attractive street scape.
>> David
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:34 PM Peter Barclay <barclaypj at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > The may not be pylons, but they are posts that will definitely stand out
>> > and be unsightly.  There will probably be 30-40, if not more, just in
>> that
>> > intersection.
>> >
>> > Why not put down an actual curb to outline the path that is permanent in
>> > the ground to truly separate the traffic from cars and pedestrians?
>> This
>> > is what I have seen in Europe and it seems to work well there?  Has that
>> > been considered?  In that case, we may not need to make the paths as
>> long
>> > and slow the cars down.
>> >
>> > But I suppose it is a cost issue as well.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > - Peter
>> >
>> > On Oct 16, 2020, at 16:04, citymom92 at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > No worries! I just didn?t want people thinking that pylons were going
>> up.
>> > They?re typically orange and not very effective, though they are ugly!
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Gina
>> >
>> >
>> > On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ? Sorry kid just trying to make a point!
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:22 PM, "citymom92 at gmail.com" <citymom92 at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > They?re not pylons, but they are flexible posts and as Mark said they
>> > absolutely do slow and calm traffic in every place where they are used.
>> > Also speed bumps are not effective because people slow down for the jump
>> > and then speed as soon as they?re over. So we?d have extremely bumpy
>> roads
>> > if we wanted to effectively slow traffic. I?d much rather have
>> flexposts to
>> > get car drivers to slow down and pay attention to all the kids and older
>> > folks trying to make their way across our streets. The
>> > Kentucky/Independence/13th intersection is especially confusing and
>> > dangerous for people crossing. I think we?ll all be pleased with the
>> > resulting slower traffic.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Gina A
>> >
>> >
>> > On Oct 16, 2020, at 1:53 PM, KnappMarketing <amy at knappmarketing.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone.  Please excuse typos and brevity.
>> >
>> > On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:35 AM, Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > I couldn?t agree more about how ugly the pylons are and how they?ve
>> > significantly degraded the appearance of our otherwise beautiful
>> historic
>> > Capitol Hill.
>> >
>> > They?re also more of a hindrance than a benefit to traffic.
>> >
>> > I?d like to see them all removed.
>> >
>> > Lucia
>> > 156 12th SE
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 10:19 AM Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Charles, We have grave concerns about the pylons proposed to create
>> bike
>> >> lanes on Kentucky Ave and 13th St SE. Not only are the hideous, they
>> will
>> >> not allow those of us who live near the corner of those streets and
>> >> Independence Ave to park even temporarily to drop off passengers or
>> goods.
>> >> Three of the corner houses are occupied by elderly widows and this
>> will be
>> >> crippling for them. All the residents near the corners are over 60.
>> Parking
>> >> on out streets is already a nightmare and we sometimes have to walk
>> blocks
>> >> in the dark after finally locating a space. This is worse during times
>> of
>> >> street cleaning when we can only park on one side of Independence.
>> Please
>> >> do not let this go forward . It will reduce our property values and
>> >> negatively impact our lives. Sharon Raimo
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
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