[Lincolnparkdc] Fwd: Observations on Advisory Bike Lanes.
citymom92 at gmail.com
citymom92 at gmail.com
Sun Nov 1 14:49:00 EST 2020
My example of people parking too close to the intersection so peds of any age can’t see around them as they venture into the crosswalk is universal on the Hill. And I’m not even going to justify a comment like I don’t care about older people’s safety.
I am disappointed that this conversation has devolved into attacks on my integrity and concern for all people. Having a parking space available in front of your house affects one household. Having a safer crossing affects all people, many more than a few, nearly every hour of every day.
Best regards,
Gina Arlotto
> On Nov 1, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org> wrote:
>
> Gina, again your example is not on point. The traffic problems at Watkins have not changed since two of my children were students there 30 years ago: parents double parking to drop of their children. What does Watkins have to do with Kentucky Avenue? It’s a school district and a commercial area. I would hope that your passion for pedestrian safety extends to your older neighbors.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 11:08 AM, "citymom92 at gmail.com" <citymom92 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>
>> John I haven’t “chosen to ignore” that fact and frankly I take your shouting and aggressive tone extremely insulting to me as a neighbor and as a professional transportation planner.
>>
>> When I first posted about these lanes I did not think we would lose parking. I know now that we will, and as I have stated multiple times, as a driver and long time resident of this block, I’m okay with that.
>>
>> Some loss of parking is resulting from flexposts at the end of the blocks where 1. People routinely speed in the turn, or 2. The sight lines of peds is obstructed by cars way too close to the intersection. Have you ever found yourself creeping around a parked car to check to make sure that a car is not speeding down the street prepared to run the red light? Yeah that’s a problem.
>>
>> Other parking spaces are being lost due to installation of a oft requested crosswalk at 13th and Kentucky (north side) and two more where the intersection of Kentucky, Indy, and 13th also intersect because actual licensed safety engineers who work daily to make streets safer for pedestrians recommended it. (Two spaces are even actually illegally IN the intersection and were flagged by our road safety team)
>>
>> For me, road safety is a mission and a passion for me, personally as well as professionally. Having watched a child get hit by a car once by Watkins, thanks to cars parked at the very end of the blocks, I’d like to prevent that from happening ever again. So again, my limited time personal convenience of easy parking in front of my house will not trump safer road conditions for many more people than me and my family, decades into the future.
>>
>> Gina Arlotto, AICP
>> DDOT Transportation Planner
>> 123 Kentucky, resident since 1994
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 10:33 AM, Peter R <CapHillPeter at doofuscorp.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> To help visualize how an advisory bike line works or looks like, see these videos:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zdDIvKXMxY (animated)
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vabFhdPSmsc (animated)
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzFPl94pXy0
>>>
>>> Or go to YouTube and search for “advisory bike lanes”. You will find some videos pro and con, in addition to explanations.
>>>
>>> --Peter--
>>>
>>> From: John Hirschmann <uygp-hs47 at DoofusCorp.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2020 10:20 AM
>>> To: lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info
>>> Cc: Will Handsfield <will.handsfield at dc.gov>
>>> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Fwd: Observations on Advisory Bike Lanes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gina
>>>
>>> There is very critical point you have chosen to ignore. It was done on E Street by my personal observation WITHOUT REMOVING ANY PARKING SPACES I could observe.
>>>
>>> In contrast the proposal for Kentucky Avenue involves removing approximately 12 parking spaces. That is a primary reason so many people are speaking up. You chose to ignore the increased risk to personal safety that creates.
>>>
>>> Also except for just the 1200 block of E street, which is on the side of Watkins ES and its playground, it’s out side the historic district. That includes the Safeway location you mention. In contrast Kentucky Avenue north of South Carolina is within the historic district and the rules of a historic district apply. That includes the intersection with Independence.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> John F Hirschmann
>>> hirschj154 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 09:42, citymom92 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a graphic I sent around early on in this thread. As I mentioned at that time, it’s a design of mostly paint with flexposts at the corners to protect sight lines for pedestrians and bicyclists. You can see it as installed on E Street SE by the safeway.
>>>
>>> Here's an image that helps explain advisory bike lanes more clearly:
>>>
>>> <image.png>
>>>
>>> Gina A.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 1, 2020, at 9:25 AM, Lucia DiVenere <lucia.divenere at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>> Very interesting, John, thanks for sharing.
>>>
>>> Are you able to also share a way for us to see the non traditional bike lanes under consideration?
>>>
>>> Lucia
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 9:12 AM John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Since we‘re in the spirit of sharing and I‘m very appreciative of the work Lucia shared yesterday, here is another contribution. What is below is what I wrote up regarding how Advisory Bike Lanes were being implemented on E Street SE. I never got a response to my query.
>>>
>>> That is what is now being proposed for Kentucky Avenue, not traditional bike lanes. I’m now also hearing it is also being proposed for at least the 100 block of Tenneessee and now 12th Street SE, presumably from East Cap to Pennsylvania. At least for Kentucky Ave. it appears to be part of a study being supported by US DOT, so that may be impact DC DDOT‘s flexibility to modify the plans in response to community input.
>>>
>>> I sent this note on October 7, which was a week before DC DDOT revealed its detailed plans for Kentucky Avenue pljust before th ANC met the evening of October 13. It asked questions about how it was recently implemented on E Street SE. It’s noteworthy it was done there WITHOUT REMOVING PARKING SPACES.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> John F Hirschmann
>>> hirschj154 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com>
>>> Date: October 7, 2020 at 11:31:06 EDT
>>> To: Will Handsfield <will.handsfield at dc.gov>
>>> Subject: Fwd: Observations on Advisory Bike Lanes.
>>>
>>> Also sent this message.
>>>
>>> John F Hirschmann
>>> hirschj154 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com>
>>> Date: October 7, 2020 at 10:59:02 EDT
>>> To: Kirsten Oldenburg <6b04 at anc.dc.gov>
>>> Cc: Will Hansfield <will.hansfield at dc.gov>, Chander Jayaraman <6b08 at anc.dc.gov>, Steve Holtzman <6B05 at anc.dc.gov>
>>> Subject: Observations on Advisory Bike Lanes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a result of request for comments on adding Advisory Bike Lanes to Kentucky Avenue SE, I realized I needed to educate myself.
>>>
>>> I’m shareing with just you some reactions with you after googling to see what is an Advisory Bike I’m going to write up something separately on adding Advisory Bike Lanes to Kentucky Avenue, but first I thought I’d share with just you some reactions with you after googling to see what is an Advisory Bike Lanes. I had not realized until the exchange of emails last Thursday that it was different than traditional bike lanes. Clearly a whole lot education of drivers should happen since most people have no idea how to behave, where to go, who yields to whom, etc. In fact does any relevant legislation been enacted. Presumably relevant if tickets should be written, insurance companies need to sort out liability, etc.
>>>
>>> I also learned that it is a fairly new phenomenon throughout the country and E Street SE, is one of few, if any, other places it has been done in DC. Also, most if not all other places it has been done are not nearly as developed as the E Street from 12th to 14th SE. So I’m really surprised that DC and US DOT agreed to put it in those two blocks. I’m also very surprised there has been no or very little education to explain to people how it works. See altaplaaning.com as to how other places have handled it.
>>>
>>> Those two blocks are anything but residential. Starting at 12th Street SE you have a CVS on the SE corner with metered parking on E Street that had heavy use pre COVID. On the other side is Watkins ES and it would have school buses lined up every afternoon. Across the street is a church that creates
>>> a huge overflow of parking on Sundays as it appears most of its congregation does not live on the hill.
>>>
>>> Behind Watkins, you have an improved sports complex which has many competitions on it that draw both competitors and spectators from afar who need a place to park. It sees competition on it almost every day.
>>>
>>> On the 1300 block, the new Safeway just opened which is drawing more traffic to those blocks. The 325 units above it just started leasing. The entrance to its parking garage is from an alley behind it which you access via E Street. It is also how the 53 foot trailers that serve the Safeway get to the loading dock. Shortly after it opened, I saw three of them there at one time. The way the loading docks are designed, they have to approach from E and exit on D.
>>>
>>> Across the street, two other large apartment/town house complexes have either just opened or are opening. Again the access to their parking is from an alley you access off E Street. So even more traffic is coming.
>>>
>>> Was this really a good place to do an experiment?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John F Hirschmann
>>> hirschj154 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPad
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