[Lincolnparkdc] rethinking stars
John Hirschmann
hirschj154 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 13 21:51:14 EST 2018
I reacted in part because of the large number of postings on this subject. I think it came close to setting a record for this list server.
Jim Thank you for a description of what actually happened. Up to your just sent message I could not visualize how large it was or how visible it was or that it was done to a park bench.
What now surprises me is that apparently as a result of CM Allen contacting the park superintendent the graffitti was sanded out before the Park Police were made aware it happened. Hence no opportunity for them to investigate, take evidence, etc. After all at a minimum damage was done to federal property
My wife also asked whether anybody knows if this was probably done by a very young person who did not understand the significance of what they were doing versus somebody older who should have understood.
This might well be relevant to how the community reacts.
John
John F Hirschmann
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> On Dec 13, 2018, at 21:07, James Grimaldi <jamesvgrimaldi at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I agree that it is upsetting — but could I just point out that the graffiti was less than 2 inches high by less than 5 inches wide? Then panel of wood in the bench was less than 3 inches wide and about three feet wide. But the scratches were less than half a foot wide — and not visible from more than a few feet away.
>
> Education and deterrence (finds and rewards, recommended by Mark Ugoretz) of graffiti are good options.
>
> If you want to read about disturbing graffiti in national parks:
> https://www.nps.gov/arch/planyourvisit/graffiti.htm
>
>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 8:57 PM O'Brien, Alden <aobrien at dar.org> wrote:
>> OK, John, I hear you. As a person of not Jewish heritage I wanted to try to make a supportive gesture similar to the (apparently mythical) story of gentiles in Norway during the Nazi occupation and the non-mythical story of the community in Montana I've read about, but as you say, between not everyone knowing this happened (it was thankfully small and briefly visible), and your other concerns, perhaps that's not the right response. I just have felt so angry and upset every time I hear about one of these graffiti incidents, I wish we could come together and make a loud, visible statement of rejection of all that.
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>> Alden O'Brien
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>> 1. Re: nazi graffiti - Orange Hats (John Hirschmann)
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>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 18:51:40 -0500
>> From: John Hirschmann <hirschj154 at gmail.com>
>> To: lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info
>> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] nazi graffiti - Orange Hats
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>> I?ve been unusually busy today so I am responding a bit late. I have several thoughts/comments. First as a person of Jewish heritage, I agree with Sharon?s concern about Jews having to wear stars starting after 1933. This seems a little too similar for my comfort level.
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>> Secondly except for this list server I?ve seen no publicity about this. What exactly when did this happen and exactly what did happen. The thread for me starts with NPS repairing something as a result of CM Allen?s call to NPS. Have the Park Police who have jurisdiction conducted an investigation, taken a formal report of a crime having occurred. Are they coordinating with MPDC as to whether any other similar crimes are being reported.
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>> Is Hill Havurah, the local synagogue aware of this? What do their leadership and rabbi think is the most appropriate way for the community to respond? I think that should be given great weight.
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>> Since the community does not appear to widely know that this happened, I think Stars of David in windows will be misinterpreted. They may well not know why they are there and incorrectly conclude there are a lot more Jewish families living on the Hill than they thought.
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>> Please give more thought to what would be appropriate and effective.
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>> John
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>> John F Hirschmann
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>> > On Dec 13, 2018, at 16:13, Sharon Raimo <SRaimo at stcoletta.org> wrote:
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>> > Alden, I have been thinking since Jews were forced to wear the star it might not be the best choice. We need our Jewish friends to way in on this. I am willing to help do anything that people think is appropriate . Never did I think this could happen on the Hill.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Dec 13, 2018, at 4:07 PM, Kym H <k.hemley at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> Just to clarify: A.M. or P.M.??
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 10:00 PM <zoe1 at doofuscorp.com> wrote:
>> >>> The Orange Hat Brigade is still around!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> We walk almost every Wednesday evening from 8:30 to 9:30pm. We meet at 11th and South Carolina and walk randomly for an hour. We are always looking for more members, especially when the weather is very cold or hot, so we would welcome anyone who wants to join us.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> We don?t always go into the park, mainly because it has generally been safer than the streets, but we will start giving it extra attention.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> If you are interested in walking, contact me and I will give you more information. Or just show up at the corner of 11th and S.C. We don?t walk in really bad weather or if we don?t have at least 3 members. Please join us!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --Peter--
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Diana Quinn <diana at muddypaws.com>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 6:20 PM
>> >>> To: List server for the Lincoln Park DC neighborhood <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] nazi graffiti
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Maybe revive the Orange Hat Brigade. Talk group walks around the neighborhood, including inside the park.
>> >>>
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>> >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 5:57 PM O'Brien, Alden <aobrien at dar.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> No. No, no, NO. Not in our park, not in our neighborhood. No. It's not enough that it was erased, we have to do something. Come on folks--what do we do--blanket the park benches with (non-sticky) stars of david/ Coexist symbols/ peace statements/ specific anti-nazi statements? Put Stars of David in all our windows? These scumbags are feeling emboldened and dumping their little poo-piles of graffiti everywhere with impunity. Silence is collusion, is permission. What do we do?? Let's show some Capitol Hill and purely human decency spirit here. Suggestions?
>> >>> Alden O'Brien
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>> >>> 1. Re: [neighbors-ch] Nazi graffiti found in Lincoln Park
>> >>> (James Grimaldi)
>> >>> 2. Re: Get Hazel and Bob Back on the List (Elizabeth Teferra)
>> >>> 3. Re: Fwd: [neighbors-ch] Another mugging (Elizabeth Teferra)
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>> >>> Message: 1
>> >>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:56:48 -0500
>> >>> From: James Grimaldi <jamesvgrimaldi at gmail.com>
>> >>> To: neighbors <neighbors-ch at googlegroups.com>
>> >>> Cc: Sanju Misra <sanjumisra at gmail.com>, Lincoln Park DC listserve
>> >>> <lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] [neighbors-ch] Nazi graffiti found in
>> >>> Lincoln Park
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>> >>> Now gone. The National Park Service promptly removed it. One of the regular
>> >>> National Capital Area Parks-East maintenance workers (nice guy, dog lover,
>> >>> and Mark U. knows his name) showed up in a white van about 7:30 a.m. and
>> >>> sanded down the wood on the bench until the graffiti was no longer visible.
>> >>>
>> >>> It gave the bench a nice new look.
>> >>>
>> >>> I said, that's nice, maybe you should do the whole bench.
>> >>>
>> >>> He raised his eyebrows, smiled and said, You have a Merry Christmas, and we
>> >>> both laughed.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 12:50 PM Sanju Misra <sanjumisra at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >>> > FYI:
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>> >>> From: Elizabeth Teferra <eteferra at hotmail.com>
>> >>> To: "lincolnparkdc at lincolnparkdc.info"
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>> >>> Hazel. I am sure it is just a system problem. Tom May be away or was not aware of your concern. Sometimes these glitches happen if u use a different email address. Also, I?m not a techie but when TW changes systems or upgrades weird things happen in databases. So be patient. U shoulda have dropped a note to his mailbox or his email. ET
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>> >>> ??
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>> >>> On Dec 8, 2018, at 9:09 PM, Roger Haley <rogerkhaley at gmail.com<mailto:rogerkhaley at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> >>> Hazel,
>> >>> I hear you; your email appeared on the listserve for Lincoln Park. I'm not sure what to do to assist in getting you back on, but I'll give it a shot.
>> >>> Roger
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>> >>> On Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 9:04 PM Barbara Meierhoefer <bmeierhoefer at me.com<mailto:bmeierhoefer at me.com>> wrote:
>> >>> To whom it may concern,
>> >>> My husband, Robert Kreinheder and I have been dropped from the Lincoln Park list serve as we were unable to respond quickly enough. Previous requests for help were either not received or ignored.
>> >>> We have lived at 113 Kentucky Avenue SE for over 50 years and would like to be reinstated. Is anybody there? Does anybody care?
>> >>>
>> >>> Hazel Kreinheder
>> >>>
>> >>> Hazel Kreinheder
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>> >>> RFKreinheder
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>> >>> From: Elizabeth Teferra <eteferra at hotmail.com>
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>> >>> Subject: Re: [Lincolnparkdc] Fwd: [neighbors-ch] Another mugging
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>> >>> This is really scary. I have lived here for 45+ years and even during the crack years, it was not like this. It is not a safe neighborhood anymore and we need to start thinking like it is. The diversity in Cap Hill is not like it was in the early days. Therefore I feel like an oasis just waiting to be picked off. Truthfully I?d like to know if they catch these folks? The police or our reps don?t quite get it yet. It?s like all the violence with mass shootings. It seems like we c it as an aberration. No. This is the life we have chosen to raise kids in. It is so unhealthy and is not acceptable. Who is doing what? For whom? And what is known. Any feedback from police? This is the wild Wild West. I don?t think I want to live in such a violent city and community.
>> >>> My opinion. So why not move u may be saying. Possible.
>> >>> ET
>> >>>
>> >>> ??
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Michael Whalen <mail at mswhalen.com<mailto:mail at mswhalen.com>> wrote:
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>> >>>
>> >>> I use a Logitech Circle 2 camera. I prefer to use plug-in rather than battery-powered units. You should consider whether the device features video stored in an off-site cloud, a local server, or on-device. Cloud storage may require a subscription fee (which is not covered by a rebate).
>> >>>
>> >>> Michael
>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 10, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Scott Keep <scott_keep at yahoo.com<mailto:scott_keep at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like to know more about the City's program for reimbursing for security cameras. I would also be interested in knowing peoples' experience with different security cameras, particularly any battery operated ones.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Saturday, December 8, 2018, 3:27:00 PM EST, Judge James Gilbert <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__judge.james.gi&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=Gklm7YI0XIL5XAOw81f_Fw&m=DtEk9CXbuCUbBzeTr_G4UxUMs7oyvNVqIXzqpqW82zY&s=zWi9xqJeIhCbwm5B7Ez13KfiwW96ygW5Ns2O1zpOCi4&e=lbert@gmail.com<mailto:judge.james.gilbert@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> >>>
>> >>> Police came by to check our camera but unfortunately it doesn?t extend to that corner. Another reminder to all to install security cameras. City will reimburse the cost. If we all had them we would have caught this on camera.
>> >>>
>> >>> It?s our responsibility to assist so if you have not got one yet, no time like the present.
>> >>>
>> >>> Jim Gilbert
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> >>>
>> >>> On Dec 8, 2018, at 1:17 PM, James Grimaldi <jamesvgrimaldi at gmail.com<mailto:jamesvgrimaldi at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> >>> FYI
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>> >>> From: 'Kate Winthrop' via Neighbors <neighbors-ch at googlegroups.com<mailto:neighbors-ch at googlegroups.com>>
>> >>> Date: Sat, Dec 8, 2018 at 10:04 AM
>> >>> Subject: [neighbors-ch] Another mugging
>> >>> To: neighbors-ch at googlegroups.com<mailto:neighbors-ch at googlegroups.com> <neighbors-ch at googlegroups.com<mailto:neighbors-ch at googlegroups.com>>
>> >>> Cc: Mike Soderman <mikeanc6a03 at gmail.com<mailto:mikeanc6a03 at gmail.com>>, Charles Allen <callen at dccouncil.us<mailto:callen at dccouncil.us>>, Robert Winthrop <rob.winthrop1 at gmail.com<mailto:rob.winthrop1 at gmail.com>>
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>> >>> Dear Friends,
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>> >>> Last night at about 9:00 pm my daughter's au pair and her friend were held up at gunpoint right outside my daughter's house, on 12th St. SE just south of Independence, as they were walking home together. The two young women were forced back into the alley beside the house, where they were robbed. The man tried to get their keys and asked where they lived--the quick-witted au pair told him they were just babysitters and didn't live anywhere nearby. But he kept them there for a while.
>> >>>
>> >>> This is the second incident involving my daughter's family in the last couple of months The first was the mugging of my 10-year-old grandson's friend just north of Lincoln Park as he walked home from school after my grandson parted to come to our house.
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>> >>> Mike and Charles--several weeks ago there was an ANC meeting with the police, I think, to discuss the uptick in crime here. I haven't heard anything. What is happening?
>> >>>
>> >>> Kate Winthrop
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